Is “Rape Culture” Ever OK?

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I’ve always been conflicted about rape culture. Not just the phrase but the whole concept. Is there some validity in saying women should take measures to protect themselves in dangerous situations? Of course. Does doing so imply that when a woman is attacked there is something she could have done to prevent it? Probably not, although in some cases, a little bit yes. And if there is something she could have done to prevent it, at least in our opinion, does that mean the responsibility of what happens sits, at least in part, with her? Of course not.

These are questions I have pondered over the years and, unfortunately, have never quite been able to come to my own conclusion in the middle there. It makes me uncomfortable to say there is something a woman could have done to protect herself better, but it makes me equally uncomfortable to say we should be able to put ourselves in risky situations without consequences.

Some aspects of this conversation seem clear cut to me – for example I believe it is completely unreasonable to wear a low cut top with a lot of boob on display, then get angry at anyone for looking at it. If you don’t want your boobs looked at, don’t put them on display. However the link between that line of thinking and the assumption that a woman therefore deserves it if she is subsequently harassed or assaulted is tenuous at best.

There is a great big line between looking and touching. Or looking and slobbering over. Or a quick look and a bit of a creepy stare.

The first article I read that really explained the problem with rape culture to me was one we published here which said:

“When you tell me not to drink too much, not to walk alone, not to walk in dimly lit areas, what you are really telling me is to make sure he rapes some other girl.”

That statement was the first statement against rape culture that resonated with me. That hit me and made it clear to me what people were really saying. And it is hard for me to admit that, being a feminist woman who was raised by a strong feminist mother. A woman who knows victim blaming is never ever the answer. A woman who knows, first hand, what it’s like to be abused.

But so often I’ve felt the line between common sense and victim blaming is blurred, with people from both sides of the argument jumping from one to the other as if they are innately interchangeable.

It is foolish to say I wouldn’t tell my daughters to be careful. It is foolish to say I wouldn’t tell my sons the same thing. To ensure they are not attracting unwanted attention by putting on display parts of themselves they don’t want others to see. To ensure they are not putting themselves in situations where they are more likely to be attacked or hurt.

But it would be equally foolish for me to believe that would keep them safe.

We live in a world where, sadly, people do harm others. Where we need to protect ourselves, and our loved ones, and do our best to keep them safe. We may not always be able to but the question is – if there were something we could do to ensure he raped some other girl, not ourselves, our wives, daughters, mothers or friends… Would we?

And, in advocating for a common sense approach instead of a higher conviction rate, instead of harsher punishments, instead of encouraging people to come forward when they feel they have been abused, no matter who by or no matter the circumstances, are we? 

What do you think? Is “rape culture” ever OK? Is it ever just common sense? 

  • Lana (Sharpest Pencil)

    I firmly believe that women, just like men, should be allowed to wear anything that they like. Going out at night should never be dangerous. And I also believe that this line “Does doing so imply that when a woman is attacked there is something she
    could have done to prevent it? Probably not, although in some cases, a
    little bit yes.” The little bit yes is 100% absolutely NO.

    • https://kikiandtea.com/ Tamsin Howse

      I don’t believe it’s true to categorically say there is never anything anyone could do to prevent being attacked in any situation. However I do believe it is true to say it is never the victim’s fault. That’s where it gets complicated for me.

      • Lana (Sharpest Pencil)

        We’ll agree to disagree

  • Jessica Chapman

    Unfortunately in most cases of rape and sexual assault the perpetrator is known to the victim, so why do we keep telling people not to go out late at night and to cover up when statistically we should be telling people to never be alone in a room even with someone you know?

    I personally feel what people need is an education in empathy, in thinking of other people as other people rather than as things to be used and consumed. Unfortunately in a world where people- particularly women- are hyper-sexualised and objectified there are some very insidious subconscious ways of thinking that need to be undone.

    • https://kikiandtea.com/ Tamsin Howse

      You are 110% correct.

  • http://emhawker.blogspot.com/ Emily

    This line: ‘it makes me equally uncomfortable to say we should be able to put ourselves in risky situations without consequences.’ For me, it’s the presumption that situations have to be risky that makes the argument fall apart. Why can’t I walk home five blocks from the pub at night? Because I’m a woman? Because men have a right to target me if I’m alone in the dark? Because we think so little of men that we have to blame the woman for presenting herself as a viable target? NUTS TO THAT.

    (With respect.)

    • https://kikiandtea.com/ Tamsin Howse

      I actually don’t think of it like that. In my mind anyone walking home alone at night is in a position of risk, however I don’t believe that means they deserve to be hurt in any way. Nor does it mean it’s their fault if they are. But it does mean they are in a risky situation and, sometimes, that doesn’t work out so well… Am I making sense? It’s so hard to articulate exactly what I’m trying to say around such a terrible and tricky topic.

      • http://emhawker.blogspot.com/ Emily

        So to sum up, it’s never the victim’s fault, but they’re aware of the risks of the situation, so what can they expect? Therefore actually making it partly the victim’s fault after all? Sorry. Still disagree 100%. And many of the pieces published right here on Kiki and Tea do as well. This one in particular: https://kikiandtea.com/2014/01/horrific-incident-unfortunate-reminder/

        (I hope this isn’t coming across as being a smart-arse. I really just don’t get how you can say it’s never the victim’s fault while simultaneously pointing to things they do that are ‘risky’.)

        • https://kikiandtea.com/ Tamsin Howse

          You’re not coming across as a smart-arse don’t worry, and as for that other post – I didn’t write that one.

          I don’t think saying that situations with risks may work out badly automatically means that it’s therefore the victim’s fault if something bad happens to them at someone else’s hands. That’s where I’m struggling with the concept.

          If a person were walking down stairs in the dark, you would say that they were doing so knowing it was risky and, if they fell, it would be considered not to be completely unexpected that they did. However, if there was no light they could have turned on, or the lights were at the bottom, or for some other reason they couldn’t have had any light, you wouldn’t say it was their fault that they fell over.

          But then to extend the metaphor to then say the stairs jumped up and bit them (because, to be fair, being attacked is not as predictable as falling down the stairs), you would say they were still in a risky situation (walking down the stairs in the dark) and, if they could have easily turned on the light, there may have been something they could have done to protect themselves a little bit better, however the stairs jumping up and biting them is absolutely not their fault because how on earth could they have known the stairs were going to do that.

          • http://emhawker.blogspot.com/ Emily

            Sorry, wasn’t going to comment again but have to address the analogy. Stairs are stairs. Never at fault. Rapists are rapists. They are living, breathing human beings who decide they have the right to help themselves to someone else’s body. Rape is always, always their fault, and no-one else’s.
            Would we ever blame a murder victim for being murdered?

        • http://diceofdoom.com RupertG

          I think it is a bit of a conundrum. On the one hand, no, it is never the victim’s fault. Of course it isn’t. A person who commits violence on someone else is entirely responsible for that act. On the other hand, if you know that there is a chance that walking home at 3am is risky, should you do it? The two concepts don’t fit together easily. They sort of cancel each other out in a way.

          Ultimately, I think it is a really hard thing to answer. In an ideal world, everyone would be safe from harm. I think that is world we should all strive to create. I just don’t think we are there yet. So, are we then required to assess the risks in a particular action? This leads then to the notion of personal responsibility to remove oneself from potential harm, and this then opens the debate back up to victim blaming, which no-one wants, and we go on in circles…

  • Hayley Ashman

    I think we first need to work out what ‘rape culture’ even means. Is it a culture that promotes rape? That makes fun of it? That blames victims? I find it to be an empty term that is thrown around with little thought about what it actually means.
    To the point of the post I think we need to look at why we tend to assign blame – even in part – to female victims. Where are the discussions about men (or people) who put themselves in risky situations by going somewhere where people are drinking? There is a lot of sympathy for victims of violence that is related to night-life. The problem is that the conversation generally leans towards females and sexual assault.

  • Monique Fischle

    I want the focus to be on teaching people (male and female) that rape, sexual assault, violence of any kind is not okay. I hate that the discussion, however well meaning, seems to focus on what the victim could have done differently.

  • iamevilcupcake

    Wikipedia describes rape culture as:

    “Rape culture is a concept that links rape and sexual violence to the culture of a society,and in which prevalent attitudes and practices normalize, excuse, tolerate, and even condone rape.

    Examples of behaviors commonly associated with rape culture include victim blaming, sexual objectification, and trivializing rape. Rape culture has been used to model behavior within social groups, including prison rape and conflict areas where war rape is used as psychological warfare. Entire countries have also been alleged to be rape cultures.”

    I think this is a pretty good definition. Makes a lot of sense to me.