Hang On…When Did I Become A Creepy Old Man?

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There is a stage in every man’s life when he realises he’s not wanted in the playground anymore. Before then, he can go play on the swings, or the slide, or the monkey bars… and no one bats an eyelid. Then one day, everything changes. People look at you differently.  You can see it in their eyes.

“What is he doing? Why is he here? He should act his age. He looks suspicious.”

You still want to play on the swings and the slide and the monkey-bars, but society suddenly says it’s no longer OK. Access Denied… Forbidden! For some men that might be at 14, or 18, or 24 even. It’s a sad day. It’s a one way trip through an invisible barrier. There is no going back.

When did I become a creepy old man?

This isn’t the only one-way trip in a man’s life. The next one involves 16 year old girls. One day, you feel perfectly fine checking out a 16 year old girl. The next, you feel like a pervy-sicko-child-molester.  An eighteen year old guy checking out a 16 year old girl… that’s OK. Even at 20 it can still be OK… but 25? Maybe not. 30? Definitely not! The 16 year old girl hasn’t changed, but the way society looks at you has.

At 46, I’m starting to feel as if I’ve just passed through another one-way door. This time it’s how women in their 20s relate to me. I think I may have progressed from “average guy” to “creepy old man”. It’s the little things. Young women avoid sitting next to me on the bus like the plague. Young women no longer make eye contact with me if I pass them in the street. It’s like I’m invisible.

I’m not sure if women go through the same stages? Certainly in recent years, the media has been celebrating the rise of the “yummy mummies” and “cougars” and “MILFs”. If the media is accurately reflecting what society thinks (and that’s not necessarily so) it seems like society has become more accepting of older women being sexually interested in younger men.

Compare this with how older man are portrayed in the media. If an older man tries to show interest in a younger woman, he is portrayed as lecherous, or even a sad old buffoon. If an older man successfully starts dating a younger woman, then he is “having a mid-life-crisis”. All this despite the fact that the “older man / younger woman” relationship is actually quite common. So why the bad press?

I’m just like anyone else. I still want to feel alive and vibrant and relevant and attractive. I don’t want to feel like a creepy old man, because I’m not. I’m still the same guy I was in my 20s and 30s. I enjoy the attention of the opposite sex, and I still enjoy flirting with women, regardless of their age. I feel like something special is being taken away from me just because I’m getting older. The sad thing is, I may not even have a choice. That door might have already closed behind me.

Do you think older men are looked on with suspicion? Is it fair to treat older men differently to younger men? Do older women have it easier than older men?

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  • Mandi Aylmore

    I could imagine that older men would be treated differently to older women. People just get in their head that this guy is older so there must be something dodgy about them.

    Not me however. I love an older guy. Give me Liam Neeson, Tommy Lee Jones, Mark Harmon any day. There is something about the way an older man carries himself. Love it :)

    • Rose Russo

      I think it’s something about their confidence! They are more sure about themselves than younger guys, or at least know more about the world. You can learn from them.

  • Rose Russo

    Great post JJ and from a completely different perspective than my own, so I enjoyed reading it.

    I’ve always been attracted to older guys but it’s funny how you say you feel invisible as I’ve heard many older women making the same statement.

    It’s sad you can’t swing on the swings anymore… I still LOVE doing that and I’m 26!

  • fender4eva

    JJ, I couldn’t agree more. Women tend to look straight through me,as if I’m not there. The only exceptions are the smiles I get in the supermarket. More from pity than anything else, I fear. Join the club,mate !….. 😉

    • http://music.johnanthonyjames.com/ John James

      …I don’t think I’ve hit pity yet…good to know I’ve got something to look forward to…

      😉

    • don fitzsimons

      Ha! I, too, get the rare smile from passing women. I don’t think pity as much as (a) I have a renegade nose hair evident, (b) my zipper is down, or (c) she appreciates how good she looks in my eyes. One time, a young woman’s smile went to my heart. She regretted it and eventually glared at me with unmistakable hatred for my habitual glances when I walked past her place of work. I now keep my eyes to the ground. I offended her and there isn’t anything that I could do that wouldn’t make the situation worse.

      • Myriam

        “One time, a young woman’s smile went to my heart. She regretted it and eventually glared at me with unmistakable hatred for my habitual glances
        when I walked past her place of work. I now keep my eyes to the
        ground. I offended her and there isn’t anything that I could do that
        wouldn’t make the situation worse.”

        Most likely you caught her smiling at something else entirely or someone else and when she noticed that it kind of felt weird and off.

        It happened to me sometimes. You get caught smiling at something completely unrelated and then you turn your head at the same moment and randomly notice this guy looking at you at the same time (you know how sometimes people notice each other at the same moment?) CRAP! Creepy dude is now going to think I’m smiling at HIM!! >_< And it can get kind of gross atm but afterward you just laugh at the whole thing . Heh, don't worry about it. It's no big deal it's not offensive or hatred or anything, just awkward lol

  • Keira

    I actually find younger men more offensive. Older men speak to women with more respect. Or at least that has been my experience. I used to be like that, I used to view older men badly if they looked at me and found it perverted but as I’ve got older (28) and speak to more older men via twitter I find that more times than not I prefer older men. Younger men can be very rough around the edges and go about flirting in an excessively direct and sleazy manner yet older men have it perfected and it can be very enjoyable.

    • http://music.johnanthonyjames.com/ John James

      Yeah, that’s the sad thing…I know all my 20-something female friends respect me a lot, and yet, I’ve starting to feel that younger women who don’t know me are starting to have a default suspicion of me…it’s hard to explain, but it’s there…

      • http://manicdreampixiefuck.tumblr.com ManicDreamPixieFuck

        I dunno if you have daughters or not but regardless, hypothetically, would you want them showing unwavering trust in older men?
        Most of my experiences with older men (10-15 years older) have been typified by being manipulated and used for sex. However, I do credit them for having their shit together in day to day life. I’m currently dating someone 15 years older and while I do feel to an extent my youth is partly a reason why they’re with me, things feel different. However I won’t invest until I can trust them. I think it’s natural to not immediately trust an older man. i never feel like older men respect me completely as an intelligent human being. My male friends say it’s a natural consequence of the dynamic of age difference. I am younger and therefore stupider to them.

  • fender4eva

    Hey JJ, looks like we could make up a foursome, with Cupcake and Rose !…… Hahaha ! 😉

    • http://music.johnanthonyjames.com/ John James

      What is this – a creepy old man dating service…?

      (Now that’s an idea…runs off to patent office…)

  • DonD

    I’m a personal trainer and a so called “older guy”. My take is this. While most guys 40 + seem to want a “hot” younger girlfriend / wife they fail to realize that they usually aren’t in a position to offer a commensurate level of attractiveness hoping that perceived financial success or the illusion of “wordly wisdom” will somehow be a valid substitute. I mean most older guys need to get real. If you have put on 25 pounds, have hair coming out of your ears and nose how could you expect anyone, especially a “hottie” to ignore these things ? Add to this that many 40+ guys are floating child support and alimony payments while supporting a drinking problem. That’s about the time they usually wind up at the gym looking for a solution. Unfortunately they hang in there for about 3 months before its back to the single bars. Those that do hang in there around usually do much better. Don’t get me wrong physical fitness isn’t the only thing. Having a pragmatic view of like combined with reasonable goals (both romantically and physically) are essential also. If a person is mostly comfortable with him (or her) self then they become much more attractive in any case.

    • Myriam

      “I’m a personal trainer and a so called “older guy”. My take is this.
      While most guys 40 + seem to want a “hot” younger girlfriend / wife they
      fail to realize that they usually aren’t in a position to offer a
      commensurate level of attractiveness hoping that perceived financial
      success or the illusion of “wordly wisdom” will somehow be a valid
      substitute. I mean most older guys need to get real. If you have put on
      25 pounds, have hair coming out of your ears and nose how could you
      expect anyone, especially a “hottie” to ignore these things ?”

      Good comment Don.

      Glad to see not all older men are creepy dudes 😀

      But yeah, definitely, speaking as a relatively young woman (23), it’s just creepy to have these old men see you as something that’s within their reach or think old men are on young women’s radar?. Why would you ask for something, (youth and beauty) that you don’t have yourself? And then get pissy when you get rejected based on the SAME criteria that attracted you to the person in the first place? It’s beyond hypocritical.

  • speakeasy

    Being 33 years old, I thought dating an older man who is 42 would be great. Unfortunately, I was completely wrong. Beginning was great, about 3-4 months into it, I realized it was only for sex. It was “good” and we had our busy schedules. I decided to stay FWB. Only I didn’t realize this guy was lying about who he really was. He completely pretended he was this nice, caring person to everyone. He played the “responsible” role and said he didn’t go out with women, nor have sex. He was completely playing me and lying. I found out he was having sex with 2 mutual much younger (20 yrs & 25 yrs) acquaintances at the same time as me. He really is a bad person and treated me horribly after I confronted him about it. He denied it of course. I stay away from older guys now. He kinda ruined it. Definitely disgusted.

  • Marie

    I understand this post is old but….
    John,aging women have these feelings too.
    We are still the same people and want to remain relevant,etc.

    However,there comes a time for all of us to understand we won’t be viewed the same by the younger generations or as desired.Sure it happens but the young have more opportunity and selection than we older people.There is good reason for it.

    I know a man in his early 50’s.We are friends only.
    I am 5 years younger(your age).
    This man turns down opportunity from women he could actually be with to chase much younger women that,in his case,he will never pull in.He wants the young “hotties” and his fantasies.
    As a result he will most likely spend the rest of his life alone.
    This is when it becomes an issue and a real problem for either gender.

    I still notice attractive younger men but I also know I can’t keep up with the young ones anymore and I’m not what I once was.I had my time.Now I’d like someone to share my life with whom I can relate to within a reasonable, age appropriate range.That is difficult to find…..
    These feelings of irrelevancy will fade in time.There are still doors to be opened in mid age.
    We just need to chose the right doors instead of doors to the past long gone.

    Good article and for the record you don’t strike me as a “creepy old man” ,just human:).

    • Myriam

      “However,there comes a time for all of us to understand we won’t be
      viewed the same by the younger generations or as desired.Sure it happens
      but the young have more opportunity and selection than we older
      people.There is good reason for it.”

      Very true Marie. As tough a pill to swallow for men (and women) but it’s just how it goes. Sexually or reproductively speaking, we’re not “supposed” to be attracted to old people because older men are way past their reproductive prime. The human race simply wouldn’t have survived if men in their thirties and upward had sired the most children. Hence perhaps the instinctual revulsion.that young women have towards older thirties and up men.

      Older women don’t cause nearly as much revulsion because older women simply cannot no longer have any children. So that settles the question. She’s free to enjoy sex without the possible complication of pregnancy While men even 70 years old and upward can and do conceive children so the danger is more real.

      Not only that but women have all their eggs at birth so there’s not too much genetic degradation (higher risk of birth defects for women is mostly a result of the reduced capacity to maintain a healthy pregnancy). While the genetic of the reproductive material of men constantly degrade every year, making it that much more likely to lead to birth defect (we now know that most genetic birth defects are caused by older males defective reproductive material, not the mother’s). Worse: these defects can even persist over many generations which is why many sperm banks now only accept donor younger than thirties as the risk of birth defects increase tremendously after that.

      • Neo

        “olde women don’t cause nearly as much revulsion because older women simply cannot no longer have any children”….LOL that’s got to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard, is this your own scientific theory? Or are you just kidding yourself because your a women and deep down know your sexual lifespan is much shorter than a mans? Trust me men are feel even more revulsion at the thought of impregnating a older women’s dried up eggs. Don’t let the cougar phenomenon fool you, it’s simply feminist garbage to pander to a women’s fragile self esteem which deflates As rapidly after 35 as her fertility.

        • Charlotte Schnook

          The reproductive quality of men and women reduce at roughly the same rate. In fact, male sperm IS responsible for more defects. So your idea that men have a longer sex span than women, is frankly: inaccurate.

          Furthermore, your idea that a woman’s esteem deflates after 35 is also ludicrous. Studies show women report the most confidence in their bodies, sexuality and over all self acceptance between late thirties to forties.

          I know for myself that I feel a thousand fold more sexy and confident at 39 than I ever did at 19. It all comes down to how one takes care of themselves.

          The real issue in this all: why the hell are people in their forties lamenting they “feel the same as they did in their twenties” and thus want to still date twenty year olds. WTF!? If someone feels the same immaturity for TWENTY years, there is a problem. As a 39 year old the lessons I have learned over the last two decades are so huge I am a completely different person. I have NOTHING in common with twenty year old KIDS and though young boys hit on me I am digsusted at the thought of taking one for a partner. What am I gonna do? Pick him off the frat lawn when he drank too much, tuck him in and help him with his homework?

          If I want that experience I’ll adopt a kid.

          When I hear people my age cry they wish they could diddle children all I can think is: someone hasn’t grown up. This person is a mental midget who wants a partner of 20 because they are mentally still in college. They are shallow and sex obsessed which is why they are more concerned with putting it in a nubile kid than they are with finding a partner who they actually have intellectual interests in common with. They have no sincere intellectual capacity which is why a barely legal teen can suffice as a partner. People with REAL maturity require more than youth to mak a relationship.

          Whether its creeper man or cougar woman, I suspect BOTH are immoral predatory idiots.

          • Neo

            My error, so how many 70 year old women do you know who have given birth to healthy offspring as opposed to 70 year old men?, apart from donor eggs and a freak of nature the answer would be none because a woman’s reproductive ability ends at menopause a mans does not. Sorry but those are the facts, and wishing it any other way isn’t going to change it. Yes it’s obvious that older women are the most self accepting group on the planet as proven by the multi billion dollar anti ageing cosmetic industry.

  • Myriam

    “At 46, I’m starting to feel as if I’ve just passed through another
    one-way door. This time it’s how women in their 20s relate to me. I
    think I may have progressed from “average guy” to “creepy old man”.”

    And I also bet BEFORE that there was a stage when it was no longer OK for you to pee in your pants (I hope). It’s called growing up and maturing. It’s called having a normal development.

    Likewise, guys that are normal in terms of mental development simply don’t feel the need to creep-on young women 20 years their juniors. Duh. Just like they are toilet-trained since age 2-3. I mean, this isn’t rocket science: Young women don’t want gross creepy old guy creeping on them. It’s gross and creepy. Would you want a 80 being all lecherous over you? Probably not. Same goes with us. Men may like to delude themselves that they are getting more attractive when getting older but they’re not. Girls in their twenties don’t want to flirt or sex up gross old dudes, they want the fit, YOUNG, hot guy. That’s nature. Time to stop deluding yourself and smell the old rotten flesh.

  • http://manicdreampixiefuck.tumblr.com ManicDreamPixieFuck

    I’m a sex worker in my 20s and find old men (60+) the most difficult and deluded as clients. They practically demand that we enjoy it. We can pretend, but pretending is never enough for them. They always openly pick the youngest looking girls, girls in their teens. I feel like their deluded behaviour is a sign of their wavering sexual self esteem. They make very demanding clients. They can’t seem to accept that we’re performing a service, they need it to be as ‘authentic’ as possible, the girlfriend experience. The reality is they’re obviously wildly unattractive to us. I sometimes wonder to what extent they’re aware of this, whether they’re aware of young women avoiding eye contact with them or a seat beside them on the bus. Because in our presence they act totally entitled and say the creepiest things about their appreciation for youthful beauty, touching our bodies inappropriately and shamelessly in front of everyone, openly salivating, complimenting how young we look, ‘like a teenager’, ‘so childlike’, etc. It makes me cringe so much. I can’t believe they don’t seem to notice how appalling they come across.

  • Dffccg

    LOL you are not the same guy as you were in your 20s… You aged. You have to get over yourself

  • mikaela

    Look from the perspective of a younger women.
    Being looked by/approached an older man is scary frankly put.

    Since 16 I got unwanted attention from men old enough to be my father, its sickening and revolting.
    You expect men of certian age to behave and act like a father/authority figure- basically responsible and mature.
    Not eyeing you sexually like a piece of meat.

    & doesnt matter “who you are one the inside” because honestly most (attractive) women have had bad experiences with older men making them feel uncomfortable.
    Such as following them, forcing conversation, offensive catcalling or attempting to innopropitately touch them, etc. so generalizations WILL be made.

    Imagine being a 16 year old girl helpless, defenseless, unexperienced and naive (or just imagine yourself as a 5 year old boy) and some creepy asshole (taller & much bigger than you) in 30s & 40s, eyeing you like flesh, nervous/sweaty like he’s trying to hold onto his boner, approaches you to talk to you.

    1st instinct is to run and every older man after that will be treated the same manner – more or less- due to the trauma of it all (or multiple traumas).

    I suggest you let go of the fact that young women wont treat you the same way as before and respect their space.

    Because no one (not even you I believe) likes to be approached or gawked at by a strange older guy.

    If you want to recieve the same attention you got in you 20s from young attractive women I suggest you work on your appearence or earn tons of cash.

    Because reality is harsh and unless you get lucky or manage to properly manipulate a young girl.
    No way in hell will a young attractive woman will be open to you unless you have something of equal value to their youth/beauty to offer.

    Would you be open to dating a fat, ugly, older women whose only arguement on why you should, is because society treats them unfairly? Their insides matter?

    Probably not. If insist yes, stop seeking attention from those who wont give it to you and recieve graciously from the ones who do.